[PLUG] openoffice.org

[Will Andrews]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:40:09PM -0500, A Braunsdorf wrote:
> You're not listening.  What I said agrees with you- if their code
> didn't suck, covering "Linux" (really X), MS Windows, and MacOS X
> >would< be sufficient.

Yeah, really X.  Sorry, I misinterpreted what you said.

> I've used a lot of environments, Will.  I've been programming
> computers longer than you've been breathing, right?

Yeah, I *know* this.  I was just sniping at you (you did notice the
smiley, right??).  8)

> As for being happy with what I'm running, if you're speaking of
> OPENSTEP, profoundly happy.  If you're speaking of the current
> state of other UNIX GUI software, I'm decidedly not.

See above.  I know your position on things like KDE - we've discussed
this sort of thing before.

> I'm using X (as we speak!) trying to figure out how to get this
> GNUstep thing really working so we can save the world.  OPENSTEP's
> malfunction is not being open source.  That's what GNUstep is
> fixing.

OPENSTEP and not "open source"?  What an oxymoron.  Where did they get
the prefix "open" from then?

> Window Maker is not GNUstep.  It doesn't act like an OPENSTEP
> desktop, though it sort of looks like it, and it's not even
> implemented as a GNUstep application.  Not being able to tell the
> difference might be a warning sign about your qualifications. :-)

Well, Window Maker does bear the name GNUstep in a couple places, so
obviously it has heavily influenced Window Maker.

As for qualifications, you're right, but only as they relate to *STEP,
which is really not a job requirement these days, even in the
workstation world.  I never claimed to be a *STEP geek, I just like
Window Maker, and would be happy in afterstep and probably other
step-ish environments.  :)

I thought we were supposed to learn Perl, C/C++, and a few other things
companies deem "modern".  Of course, such companies still prefer fortran
for some things...

> I'm not talking about window dressing here.  OPENSTEP is much bigger
> than some flimsy skin draped over crappy old X programs.  It needn't
> look like a NeXT either, for that matter.

Perhaps you should give me a brief demo.  That would be very insightful.
I doubt many folks who've used and prefer Linux have also tried
OPENSTEP.

BTW, perhaps you should consider putting something on that openstep.org
domain you've been squatting on for years.  ;>

-- 
Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu> - Physics Computer Network wench